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&gt; What options, if any, do other nations realistically have to intevene in the Gaza War at this point?

Time for Biden to throw them under the bus. Let the security council pass a resolution sanctioning Israel and abstain from vetoing it. And ease up on whatever pressure they are exerting behind the scenes to prevent Netanyahu from being indicted as a war criminal.

Opheltes

Netanyahu is keeping the war going solely for his own political purposes. Biden should go over Netanyahu’s head and speak directly to the Knesset. Israel can’t afford to lose their only ally. Dump Netanyahu.

baxterstate

Even the head of the IDF said it, you can't kill an idea, I suppose there is a caveat that the Israeli Zionist right might seize on: unless you kill everyone with that idea or the potential to have that idea. Its either undoable or its full genocide.

Biden is between a rock and a hard place but Netanyahu, publicly demanding weapons like an entitled child is crossing a line I think, Biden doesn't want the blowback from AIPAC but Netanyahu publicly twisting his arm is already close to a worst case scenario, if he gets a bit lippy in his congress speech all bets might be off.

The tail might wag the dog most of the time but dog is still the dog if it wants to remember that. 

Who knows what's going to happen but buckle up it will be wild.

CasedUfa

The only thing that could possibly get Israel to change course is for other countries to stop all involvement. No shipments, no support, no nothing. The US isn't really stopping shipments and still openly supports Bibi's government, there's no incentive for Israel to change course.

If Biden did actually clearly stop shipments and stop political support, it would probably get him some credit from people. Unfortunately it would piss off a lot of other people too and probably wouldn't lead to immediate results. I wouldn't be surprised if Bibi kicked off this supposed Lebanon campaign as retaliation. It might get bad enough that the US government sees no choice but to intervene.

Bibi's visit is going to be a net negative. Congressional Dems were frankly dumb as shit to agree to inviting him as Bibi is just going to use it as a platform to berate the president. The fact that a lot of them can't see how Bibi is using them is ridiculous.

The US is in a murder-suicide pact with Israel.

ChiefQueef98

As a left of moderate, but not far left Democrat, I'm ready to cut Israel loose. Fuck em. Not only from a moral standpoint, but from a political one. Netanyahu is pinning us down on purpose, because he can both wantonly kill Palestinians AND get Trump elected, which is a win win. Cut Israel loose, sanction them, and deny shipments.

Rum____Ham

We really need to re-examine US foreign policy with regards to Israel.  We should have done it 10 or 15 years ago.

jcooli09

Biden is using different international relations assumptions and skills than are relevant today, IMHO. The US is no longer the superpower as back in the day. The landscape and strategies should change. I know the situation is complex and there is not an easy answer. What is currently occurring is not influencing BeeBee and in the meantime, the US is being linked to the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. The future doesn't bode well for radicalization of Muslims against Americans.

bcbamom

In a sane world, the US cuts of all aid and funding to Israel, causing Israel to end the war immediately. More likely, Biden will fold, because many Democrats are dependent on AIPAC funding to campaign.

This isn't a war. It's a one-sided attack. There's no amount of negotiation with Hamas or Palestine that could stop the attacks. The only way to do that is to negotiate with Israel. And there's no negotiation until they understand that aid is *optional*.

KevinCarbonara


This shit is genuinely so fucking bizarre. Has any empire in history ever been so captured by its own vassal state?

flexwhine

I feel like this is going to be a delicate dance from both sides until at least November. Ideally Biden wins the election and can safely start to be more hardline with Israel. Netanyahu won’t do anything crazy in my opinion because he needs USA support more than anything, so I think he will avoid being overtly critical of Biden as of right now. Biden could cut off all aid to Israel tomorrow and while it would hurt him politically, it would *really* hurt Netanyahu.

SaysSaysSaysSays

Interesting how people are willing to give up on removing Hamas so easily, while demonizing anyone who thinks it's a necessary war goal.

palsh7

&gt;Multiple press reports have indicated that Netanyahu has walked back any support he ever had for the ceasefire/peace proposal announced by Biden but theoretically drawn up by the Israeli government 

Unsurprising. Gantz walked away, leading to the dissolution of the war cabinet, which left the far right in charge of the war. They have never wanted compromise. 

&gt;which does not appear to be an achievable war goal

That's been said as a justification for each of the 15 ceasefires over the last decade and a half. Trouble is Hamas don't stop shooting, the Palestinian Authority pays to kill Jews, and the IDF is doing an excellent job of proving that theory wrong. It's almost as if coddling terrorists just encourages them.

epsilona01

Israel is a clusterfuck for any US President but you can be sure Trump would ensure the destruction of Palestine in quick time. Whatever you think of Biden he is at least trying to tame the worst excesses of Netenbastard's genocide.

Used_Bumblebee6203

Israel never indicated real support in the first place, so I don't see how this changes much. Informally saying "we'll agree to a ceasefire after we've killed everyone we want to kill and taken all the territory we want to take", as Netenyahu was saying, isn't a pledge for ceasefire. That's just saying they'll fight until they win, according to their own standards.

So all this really means is that Blinken can't go around blaming Hamas for refusing a ceasefire deal that Israel supposedly backs. Which is a small difference in messaging and propaganda, at the end of the day.

TheRadBaron

When is the US just cutting Israel off and try their luck with Jordan or Saudi Arabia?

negrote1000

The “next” must be to cut off military and munitions support. Its a genocide and is widely internationally recognized as such including the UN.

Good_Juggernaut_3155

He let this shit(Oct. 7) happen so it would take the focus off of him. He is a criminal.

[deleted]

Netanyahu is a Far Right authoritarian who would like nothing better than having Donald Trump as US president. 

He can absolutely be trusted to do anything he can to fuck things for the next few months prior to the election, and then will immediately wind down the conflict the very moment the election is over, regardless of who wins. 

Wait 6mths, see that I was right.

Didn't Cenk say that MAGA won in pushing back against this idea?

Someone should see if he still thinks that.

Edit: Found it!

https://preview.redd.it/bx42cqvweshe1.png?width=1079&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=929b86b925f6d16c005fda1d4d6f4399a24681fe

Aged like milk...

Gallowboobsthrowaway

&gt;White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on Wednesday insisted Trump has not committed to sending the U.S. military into Gaza, despite the president suggesting the night before that “we will do what is necessary.”

&gt;Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Wednesday that the U.S. government is “a very long way” from intervening in the Strip.

Always cracks me up how Trump bootlickers constantly have to "translate" what he means.

Venator850

G3rmTheory

Pikaiapus

Oh God it's full steam ahead with this.

I wonder what my MAGAt friends think now after they tried to tell me "we aren't doing anything like that, it's just threats to get Egypt and Jordan to do more"

.....I don't think that's true lol

dgoyena216

I'm starting to get the feeling Trump really really really wants a legacy of "adding" to the size of the United States and doesn't really care what shape that takes

greyhoodbry

https://preview.redd.it/lp2ok9p8fshe1.png?width=1008&amp;format=png&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=6b973849f2743719c64673a65d58eac97f0c054c

We ever gonna make it out of the denialism phase or we just gonna ride it all the way to civil war II?

Sad-Television4305

How is developing a war ridden, barren land going to cost “very little money.” Not very America first

dowiththesauce

Accomplished_Fly729

**Hey Gaza, MAGA is speaking now bitch.**

neinhaltchad

Pale_Temperature8118

Can't wait for him to try to get Crimea next

Constantinch

Nice_Improvement2536

So is there zero plan to let the Palestinians back into Gaza once the US clears the destruction and live  ordinance still in the area? Or is American just taking Palestine and kicking them out permanently?

Tubbish

EngineFace

Well...well...well...👏....👏

Getting kinda hard to spin this now huh?

xx-shalo-xx

So what are the logistics of this? Israel finished the job... Then moves Gazans out to Jordan and Egypt (assuming they accept). This would cost a lot of money and the US would most likely have to pay most of it (I guess Jordan and Egypt would expect a huge amount of dollars).
The west bank would turn into Gaza 2. 
US contractors and possibly soldiers enter gaza. 
"People of the world" move in.
What?
Where the fuck are the democrats fighting for domestic politics? Let trump fuck the gaza idea, if It ever happens. 

juancs123

I LOVE BEING A PART OF ETHNIC CLEANSING. I LOVE THAT MY COUNTRY VOTED FOR A GUY WHO WANTS TO ETHNICALLY CLEANSE 1.5M PEOPLE. AAAAHHHHH I LOVE IT

https://preview.redd.it/xy2w23gz1she1.jpeg?width=1099&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=bd4881875600b6c7f3ebc804d414a480f054f0e1

I_Farded_I_Shided

Imagine being an american saying that Israel is committing an ethnic cleansing in gaza to expand itself only for America to end up being the one committing an ethnic cleansing in gaza to expand itself.

CaptainCarrot7

Ohh boy and it's only been a month. If you guys think this is crazy then imagine what will happen when Taiwan gets invaded China. I'm 99% sure it will happen in his presidency term and I think there is a good chance he will even side with the enemy instead of backing the ally.

Wise-Hornet7701

Yes I'm sure ethnic cleansing in Gaza will lead to great stability. The most stability anyone could ever imagine.

formershitpeasant

Isn't it obvious?

This is all part of Trump's master plan to fight inflation. He will send the Gazans to Somalia where he'll build chicken farms and make them work to repay the price of their new Somalian homes.

Trump is eliminating USAID to create TRUMPAID, which is based on China's Belt and Road Initiative of giving unpayable loans to poor countries to create debt-trap diplomacy. Somalia will pay off its new debt by housing Palestinians.

That's his plan to lower the price of eggs. Trump is playing 44D chest, guys.

/s if it wasn't obvious. But then again, this does sound like something Trump would do. He's that nefarious.

Adorable_Ad_3478

Because Palestinians are people known for taking things lying down... Synagogs are gonna get shot up if the US goes through with this.

GoRangers5

It is truly beyond imagination. In Trump belligerent interests finally got someone so stupid, he could be sweet-talked into taking over their problems for them.

A core pain point for Bibi is that according to ICJ any Palestinian state has to include all of OPT and be contiguous. For Palestinians, they have considered this as proof that since the land between Gaza and WB is to be legitimately theirs they should not settle for anything less.

Israel has been trying to break this by having anyone else take over Gaza, so they can negotiate a separate state in WB. No Arabs have been interested.  Russia and China have been probably trying to influence Trump into annexing **something**, so they would enable this move. Things really are getting crazy.

Prin-prin

I can't fucking wait for the peace president to drag the US into yet another Middle East forever war, let's fucking goooo

Used_Low2007

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So Hamas has agreed and Israel has not. Lets see how they spin this

muhummzy

Nothing will stop these turds short of military intervention. Warmongering lunatics.

miansaab17

"to press on", cringe language that they wouldn't have ever used if this was about the other side getting killed. Top notch reporting there, makes you not want to even read it.

NoelaniSpell

Of course they are. Otherwise they would get the genocidal blue balls smh

The_Un_1

A_Brown_Crayon

Cobby1927

Honestly these games are really exhausting. People are being killed daily and these ass hats keep rejecting deals in hopes to string this genocide along.

If America had competent leadership. This entire situation would’ve been stopped months ago. Biden or whoever really makes the decisions is absolutely the fucking worse.

no where does the resolution entails a permanent ceasefire; it only indicates a "permanent end to hostilities"...

SympathyOver1244

traanquil

Israel has broken 65 UN resolutions so far. Do we really believe them to start listening to reason now?? They’re on complete homelander mode.

trekmadonetwo

Again, blinken, biden and netanyahu are not sincere about this ceasefire deal. So may God punish them severely!

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Does this mean Hamas is rejecting the U.S. proposal, or are they rejecting Israel's approval of it?

mysteresc

They really are negotiating like they've won the war...these mfers are crazy

Yositoasty

Why is it that pundits, celebrities, random passersby with a narcissistic complex the world over fall all over themselves in their demands for Israel to end the war, but none seem to bother to make the same demands of Hamas?

vertigonex

Beginning_Hat_5145

Even when they are standing next to precipice, Hamas still think it can survive.

macross1984

Not surprised frankly. Hamas is suicidal, and they're taking all of Gaza with them.

It's heartening that ordinary civilians are starting to turn against them.

falcobird14

Fuck Hamas and fuck Iran.

They'll keep rejecting every deal while they hide behind women and children.

glasser999

Misleading title.  Hamas has rejected the international agreements for ceasefire and to end the war.

Let’s try and keep things honest here folks.

Competitive_Jello531

This reads like Hamas wants to be able to say “we rejected it because it does not match with our terms, but other factions wanted it so we are accepting it on their behalf”

Pudge223

How are we meant to deal with them if they wont return the hostages or negotiate

No_Perspective_150

If Hamas cared about its people, it would take this ceasefire immediately. The fact is, they don't give a shit about the civillians. The more civilians die, the more concessions Israel may have to make. Israel needs to get more Hamas terrorists in the dead column.

kezguyfour

Does this mean Gaza is going to be 100% occupied by Israel and the United States?

Permitty

Don't worry, free palenstine already blames Israel for this too.

TheWarriorsLLC

Hamas has nothing to say. They can go away now!!

StrangePoem3596

Try negotiating like you are getting your ass kicked. Make it too hard and your final reward will be to lose it all.

QuicksandHUM

Is that a real photo? Goodness; I thought it was from the game Highfleet. Like its uncanny.

BLDoom

And yet all these idiots in the west will still defend Hamas and only blame Israel

JustJaguar2514

This is because Netanyahu openly says they will proceed with hostility even with diplomacy, so why would they agree?

ireallylike808s

The cycle

- Israel claims to want ceasefire
- US supplies one that favours Israel to varying degrees
- Everyone puts the power of a final decision in Hamas' hands
- Hamas declines because they want the war to go on as long as possible so they can keep radicalising more people and let Israel destroy it's own reputation
- Israel continues doing what it likes bombing more and more and taking more land
- Every civilian is fucked over by those in power
- Stability in the region ousting netanyahu and Hamas becomes more distant
- repeat forever. 

This is a cycle that needs to be broken and the two regional powers have every reason to keep the cycle going for their own purposes. What needs to happen is either more outside interference or the people in these two countries to get rid of their toxic and terrible leaders and replace them with people who want stability and freedom for all.

EquivalentAcadia9558

infinite loop, Israel rejects hamas’s ceasefire plan, hamas rejects Israel’s ceasefire plan.

RDimos

Israel keeps rejecting UN proposals and Hamas keeps rejecting Israeli proposals.

braumbles

Ask yourself what incentive Hamas has to accept any ceasefire proposal whatsoever.

ComplexParsley7390

I mean you can trust Israel’s word as much as Russia; not at all.

Not really surprised 

ThatNerdUpNorth

Hamas and Israel, it's about time you all realised we are all human, one race, that's it, no arguments, just one race.  
But no, you'd rather starve thousands and keep them in unbelievable conditions.   
I have no side; I don't care about your real views or anything else, but for fuck's sake, sort this shit out. It's 2025 FFS

jeffereeee

dragon1500z

Looks like the bombs keep dropping. I really think that Hamas would rather accept a million dead Palestinians than peace with Israel.

TerminalDeviant

Badatnames55

it’s time to cancel immunity for the hamas fat cats living it up in qatar

bennybar

A ceasefire requires 2 sides. What is this , the 20th ceasefire Hamas rejected?

thatshirtman

Hamas rejects the ceasefire unless it’s allowed to keep some of the hostages

UN - Israel is being unreasonable

Hellstorm901

Normally when you lose a war you surrender. Hamas doesn't give a fuck because letting their children die is for the cause.

grazfest96

Anybody remember how well the last ceasefire went?

sixwax

someone seems to think they're a lot more important than they really are

66stang351

I’m impressed they could find an official at this point. 

It’s too bad though, seemed really close to getting a bunch of the hostages home. Anytime Hamas thinks they have leverage they make increasingly unreasonable demands. This is why countries talking about unilaterally recognizing Palestine is so dangerous. It’s seen as a direct reward for the years of choosing violence over negotiations. 

It’s really been the singular problem of the conflict; Palestinian leadership has always believed they stood to gain more from violence than negotiations and peace. I wish more people, and especially politicians, understood that.

Bibi isn’t one to pursue negotiations either, but if the Palestinians are sitting a table, he will be forced to join them and participate in good faith. That’s the influence that America secures with its support. 

KosherPigBalls

Hamas tries to maximize civilian casualties. That's the reason why they didn't build a single bomb shelter for them. Not one, even though they regularly bomb Israel and went to war with them.

Same_Performance_595

Jerm8888

Hamas is the only reason the war continues.  They are the aggressors who are prolonging the war on purpose.  Their goal is to drag Israel's name through the mud, and they're willing to sacrifice as many Gazans as they can for that purpose.  The war criminals in Hamas must surrender unconditionally and release all the hostages.

_Machine_Gun

I'm surprised the top comments in here are not pro Hamas. Everywhere on Reddit seems to be braindead liberals screaming left wing talking points.

Valkyrie1810

Berzerker32

Can't wait for the useful idiots to start blaming Israel

K0TEM

Let me get my Palestinian Flag and my rainbow flag and we can go out and blame the Jews and Israel! 🤪

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